Passat b3/b4 Syncro tyres.



 05 February 2021

 




My only option, in Greece, for a 225 50 r15 tire, which is  all weather, V rating, and not, just, for the left wheels, as some directional tires are, suitable for a fast 4x4 car.

                                                             Nankang xr611 M+S

                                            ( Wave tread pattern, Pirelli 1995, P6000)

 

A comparison based on a 2013 test of 54 summer tires:


tyrereviews.uk  2013 test 54 Summer tires

tyrereviews.uk  2017 test 11 All season tires


        And here is a synthesis of the data of the Summer 2013 test to  All season tires of the year 2017:                           

 

               Recommended! (My humble opinion).

 
 


 
 
 
Not recommended! (Experts are speaking!).

 
Not recommended! (By Nankang!)
 
 
 
 
Recommended! (By racers, Finland, 2015 Nankang xr611 cup).
 

                                                                (Not  my style exactly).


08 February 2021
 
Nankang xr611 is a m + s tire and has to be tested and validated as m + s, (or all weather), tire.
 
The science behind it:
 

 
                                                                    Wave tread pattern.

“…and a primary object of the present invention is to provide a pneumatic tire which is improved in the steering stability on dry roads and running performance on snowy/icy roads by improving the configurations of sipes”. 

 
And , according to the initial "wave" tread, it seems that there are more...
 
 
The reason not characterized as m + s, always, is unknown to me. May be  it is rather a legal and not a technical, construction, matter? Something like this?:
 
 
 
 


 
Pirelli P Zero Nero, which is a  m + s tire with, almost, identical tread pattern.
 

 
Continental Crosscontact LX20, All weather, similar pattern.


 
 But the testers insist to test xr611 as a summer tire:
 

,Auto Bild (03.2015)

German magazine "Auto Bild" has published the "Summer Tire Super Test 2015". The tested tire size was 185/60 R15, test vehicle a VW Polo.

This test is a special test with 53 participating products. The evaluation consists of 2 parts:
Part 1: dry and wet braking test, selection of the 18 best products, called "Finalists":

Autobild

Brand

Model

Braking distance, m

Total, m

wet

dry

1

Pirelli

Cinturato P1 Verde

47,5

37,0

84,5

2

Continental

PremiumContact 5

48,1

36,6

84,7

3

Dunlop

Sport BluResponse

49,5

35,9

85,4

4

Bridgestone

Turanza T001

49,8

36,4

86,2

5

Hankook

Kinergy Eco K425

50,2

36,3

86,5

6

Nexen

N'Blue HD Plus

51,2

35,7

86,9

7

Goodyear

EfficientGrip Performance

51,8

36,1

87,9

8

Fulda

EcoControl HP

52,6

36,1

88,7

9

Sava

Intensa HP

51,4

37,5

88,9

10

Vredestein

Sportrac 5

53,2

36,0

89,2

11

Falken

Ziex ZE914 Ecorun

53,3

36,0

89,3

12

Michelin

Energy Saver+

53,4

36,9

90,3

13

Zeetex

ZT1000

52,8

37,7

90,5

14

Kumho

Ecowing ES01 KH27

54,2

36,7

90,9

15

Roadstone

CP 661

52,7

39,3

92,0

16

Uniroyal

RainExpert

53,5

39,2

92,7

17

Apollo

Alnac 4G

56,2

37,6

93,8

18

Yokohama

BluEarth AE-01

56,8

37,9

94,7

19

Semperit

Comfort Life 2

55,4

39,7

95,1

20

Barum

Brillantis 2

55,2

40,0

95,2

21

Dayton

D210

58,6

36,6

95,2

22

Torque

TQ021

56,9

38,7

95,6

23

Nankang

XR611 Toursport

60,3

35,4

95,7

24

Hi Fly

HF201

58,2

38,2

96,4

25

Firestone

TZ300

57,6

39,5

97,1

26

Riken

Maystorm 2b²

60,3

37,2

97,5

27

Nokian

Line

60,0

37,8

97,8

28

Taurus

Touring 301

60,2

37,8

98,0

29

Petlas

Imperium PT515

58,6

39,5

98,1

30

GT Radial

Champiro 228

60,1

38,2

98,3

31

Viking

City Tech II

60,6

37,8

98,4

32

Evergreen

EH23

61,2

37,6

98,8

33

Maxxis

Victra 510

61,5

37,7

99,2

34

Starmaxx

Novaro ST532

61,7

37,7

99,4

35

Matador

MP16

59,2

40,5

99,7

36

Zeta

ZTR20

61,8

37,9

99,7

37

Marshal

Matrac MH11

61,5

38,6

100,1

38

Kleber

Dynaxer HP3

62,4

38,1

100,5

39

Tracmax

F-101

63,1

37,7

100,8

40

Gilsaved

Urban*Speed

62,2

39,1

101,3

41

Trazano

H550-A

64,5

37,7

102,2

42

General

Altimax Comfort

63,0

40,0

103,0

43

Cooper

CS2

63,8

39,4

103,2

44

King Meiler

Sport 1

66,0

37,7

103,7

45

Avon

ZT5

64,1

39,8

103,9

46

Sailun

Atrezzo SH402

71,2

38,6

109,8

47

Insa Turbo

Ecosaver-E

69,7

41,3

111,0

48

Tristar

F109 Ecopower 2

72,3

39,1

111,4

49

Autogrip

F101

71,9

39,7

111,6

50

Toyo

Nanoenergy 2

73,6

38,1

111,7

51

Silverstone

Synenergie M5

73,2

39,5

112,7

52

Rotalla

F109

74,1

39,3

113,4

53

Maxtrek

SU-830

85,6

39,1

124,7

 

 Here seems that the Nankang xr611 takes the # 23 position.

But, as in many other matters, the azimuth of the  visual angle, may blur the clear, at a first glance, picture.

 Firstly, the #23 Nankang xr611 m+s tire, beats the #1 SUMMER tire Pirelli P1 Cinturato Verde FOR THE DRY BRAKING by 1.6 m! Mission impossible for an all weather m+s tire.

Secondly, if we compare the results to  all weather tires, another reality is revealed. And, yes, the data are comparable, since the same tires have a similar behavior, independently of the size or the vehicle it is used, within some error limits.



No comments!


14 February 2021

 


 

Anyone to recommend  the xr611? 

Well, except those who trust it in sizes above 205, where the tread pattern is different in comparison to smaller sizes, in terms of analogies, seems to be difficult.

But just a moment!  There is a very big and serious one! In fact,  he is so enthusiastic about it, that he goes one step ahead and even produces the tire!


 



 

 The Syncro Heresy

 

 Tires are on!

A sneak peak on a wet surface road is my first 10 km course. 

What an irony! Sharp turns on a narrow country side road, when wet! Exactly on the wild side, according to the reviewers, I felt in danger! 

But  I went from, (Bridgestone Adrenalin r002, 8.5 kgr), 205 55 r15 to, (Nankang  xr611, 9.5 kgr),  225 50 r15, wider tires, with the same, 6J r15, oem Sebring, wheels. Is it a matter of the 4wd, 4wt, of the car? Or of the wider tires? 

At 40 psi, (vs 38 psi for the Bridgestone),   all around, Nankang works as a magic carpet, absorbing much better the road noise, and this is easily understood as a matter of a softer carcass. 

 The handling  on the wet tarmac,  on the other hand,   is unexpected, as well as, the reaction through  the standing waters.

 But a 10 km.road is a very short distance...

 

 

17 February 2021

 
Fate brought it and my first impressions about my Nankangs are for the rare cases, in my region, of the wet tarmac, as well as, of snowy roads, not having the opportunity to drive under the normal circumstances, for me, yet.

Climbing on a snowy hill seems to be extremely easy for my Syncro g60 with the xr611 Nankangs. Much easier than with my Bridgestone Adrenalin, although the xr611 are wider. For a level road, they behave perfectly on the, fresh, snow. Driving on the snow remains, almost, unnoticed, (for low speed of course)!






18 February 2021

M+S or not?



23 February 2021




 
 
 26 February 2021

A 75 years old woman found staring at my dragons, when parked : "you have passion!" 
One of its kind reaction, for my last forty years, at least.

Yes, they look beautiful!
 
Dry tarmac impressions are coming!  
(225 50 r15 , it seems that this car had to be a member of this club from birth).
 
 
17 September 2023
 
 
 
25 February 2025
 
The Nankang xr611 now are @ ~20.000 km. having an excellent  behavior under any circumstances, dry, wet, snow, handling, braking, traction... They may be the best tires I ever I had, in conjunction to Fulda Trump 255 60 r15 on my Vanagon.
 
Any way, this is, just, an opinion... 
 
Trying to be prepared for my next set, I am going for a taller profile, from 50 to 60 which is better for a 4x4 car off road. So I am looking for a 225 60 r15 tire, fortunately there is a Nankang xr611 225 60 r15 rated 96V and not H as all the M+S tires @ this size. There is even one edition with raised white letters, (for the South hemisphere).
 
 

 
There is enough space and other matters to overcome, will see...
 
Now the funny think is that looking at "Tyre reviews U.K.",  to collect information, in general, thought as a good idea to write few words about my Nankangs...
 
What a surprise! It seems that coronavirus is, still, present! I cannot explain otherwise, (or maybe I can), that I take answers  "We don't recall a test where this Nankang tyre was the best at braking....", BUT I SAID FIRST TO THE DRY BRAKING (!), and yes, there is such a test where they mix summer to M+S tires, in a very unprofessional way, knowing that a M+S cannot to be compared to summer tires, for a lot of reasons! BUT Nankang xr611 finishes AS THE BEST IN DRY BRAKING WITHIN THE BEST SUMMER TIRES! 
This test is the above mentioned to the German magazine "Auto Bild" which has published the "Summer Tire Super Test 2015". The tested tire size was 185/60 R15, test vehicle a VW Polo.
I gave the link to the "Tyre Reviews U.K.", but they say that they "cannot recall any test", and they say it even today 25 February 2025, some days after the publishing of my review to their site!
 
Trying to find what is going on I send a message... but first have a look to my review into their site, where THEY ASK  TO GIVE YOUR REVIEW:
 
 

(Who knows for how long?).
 
Into the above test of the "AUTO BILD" we can see that the Nankang Toursport xr611 is the best @ DRY BRAKING, @ 35,4 m. YES, BETTER THAN THE MICHELIN, (36,9 m.), CONTINENTAL, (36,6 m.), PIRELLI, (37 m.), GOODYEAR, (36.1 m.), BRIDGESTONE, (36,4 m.), and BETTER THAN ALL OTHER!
 
Please, keep in mind that all these, with the only exception of the NANKAN xr611 M+S, are SUMMER tires, which, traditionally, score better than a M+S tire, so the comparisons are between  the same category tires, normally.
 
 But, I thought that there is a possibility that they, @ "Tyre reviews", cannot see these results, for any reason, (coronavirus or whatever).
 
So I had a correspondence with them which, I thought, may interests you...
 
Lets start it:
 
 

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 12:45 PM

 

  Hi mr. …

 

I am Hellenic Vanagon. I like very much your work with the tire tests.

 

Just saw your answer to my Nankang xr611 comments: "We don't recall a test where this Nankang tyre was the best in braking, looking at the link it seems you're trying to cross reference tests which is sadly not possible due to differing conditions."

But if you look better into my link, you will see that the German magazine "Auto Bild" has published the "Summer Tire Super Test 2015". The tested tire size was 185/60 r15, test vehicle a VW Polo, and it is into my "Passat Syncro g60 tyres" page.

As you can see here, the best with the shorter DRY braking distance is the Nankang xr611, stopping at 35,4 meters with the second best at 35,7, (Nexen Blue HD Pass), Pirelli @ 37, Continental @ 36,6, Dunlop @ 35,9, Bridgestone @ 36,4, Michelin @ 36,9. It is impressive for a, budget, M+S tire isn' it?

For countries where rarely  rains, (unfortunately), as Greece, the dry braking distance is especially important, as it is obvious.

Please, consider, also, that these are summer tires, which "ought" to be better @ dry braking! On the other hand, Nankang xr611, (and a lot of tires having the Pirelli/Sumitomo "new wave" tread, (or the "chaos" as Dunlop of Japan calls it), are All season or M+S tires, and it is expected to be worse comparing to the summer tires.

Somewhere in you site you say that "it is easy to make a tire to brake well @ dry but not @ wet, as the Nankang xr611", so it seems that you know, (of course), that xr611 is so good for the dry braking comparing it even to the summer tires!

For the wet performance it is not the best, but ,still, it is good comparing it, not to summer, but to All weather tires, which in reality it is, (Nankang has a M+S stamp on the label of 205 50 r15).

 

Mr. … I am a hobbist, I am not selling anything and I do not care about Nankang tires or any other brand. I do like that you are trying to be accurate, as I do too, and this is the only reason for this email.

 

Thank you very much for your time! (There is no way to answer through the comments section @ "Tyre reviews").

 

The Syncro Heresy

 

"Tyre reviews" answer:


Sent: Monday, February 24, 2025 5:46 AM

Subject: Re:

 

Hey,

 

I actually have that in the database on the site

 

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2015-Market-Overview-Braking-Test.htm

 

It's worth noting that tyre technology has moved on a lot in the past 10 years, and also the nankang is classified as summer tyre even with the M+S marking.

 

Also the other test I have databased, which sadly we don't have the data for, had the same tyre significantly down in the dry overall.. Sometimes weird things do happen in tyre testing, and this is one of them.

 

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2013-ACE-Summer-Touring-Tyre-Test.htm

 

Glad you're enjoying geeking out about tyres!

 

 

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My answer:

 

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 11:36 PM   wrote:

Good morning mr. ...
 
Thank you for your answer.
 
#1 Sumitomo is the inventor of the xr611 tread pattern and says:
 
"The present invention relates to a pneumatic tire, more particularly to a siped tread portion capable of improving steering stability on dry roads and running performance on snowy/icy roads".
 
Link:
 
#2 Nankang stamps the "M+S" indication on the label, (not always, strangely).
 
#3 Many manufacturers are using similar tread patterns and promote their tires as "All weather" or "M+S" tires, (f.ex. Pirelli P Zero Nero,  identicall to xr611 pattern, Continental Crosscontact LX20, General M+S, and a lot of others).
 
So why Nankang Toursport xr611, (or "Crossroad" at the South hemisphere), is a summer tire?
 
 
Thank you for your time!

 

 "Tyre reviews" answer:
 
----- Original Message ----- 
 
 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2025 9:18 AM
Subject

Are you in the Americas or Europe?


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 My answer:
 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 2:48 AM  wrote:

By that do you mean different specifications, and these differences are valid enough to test a M+S tyre as a summer tyre in Europe?
 
If so this must be declared by the reviewers!

 

"Tyre reviews" answer:

----- Original Message ----- 
 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2025 7:07 PM
Subject: Re:

Yes, all season tyres in Europe need 3pmsf marking so the nankang is a summer tyre. It was included in a summer tyre test so i guess that's declared.


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My answer:
 
 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 12:48 PM  wrote:

M+S is a different category vs 3pmsf. If this category is not recognized in Europe does not mean that it is not existent!

 

And, much more, cannot be ignored and equalized to something that was never intended to be!

 

Do you like to call the American Indian Apaches English noble men, since there are no Apaches in U.K.?
 

"M+S vs. 3PMSF Marking on Tires: What’s the Difference?

Marking and symbols on tires can be confusing for the general consumer. They describe many details of the tire, but in this article we will cover specifically M+S and 3PMSF markings along with how they compete with each other. These markings are used for winter tire traction qualities. The tires undergo a test called the winter tire traction test; tires that pass this test have the symbol M+S on the side, which stands for Mud and Snow. By contrast, 3PMSF stands for 3 Peak Mountain Snowflakes. While the names are similar, the traction levels are actually very different.

M+S markings are usually assigned to All Season Tires, meaning they can be used in summer and winter. An important detail to consider is that the test for this type of marking is done in basic snow and mud. The tires do not undergo a test to see how much traction they have on ice, slush, and black ice. These terrains are very common in countries or states with harsh winters. If you will be using the vehicle in winter, it is best to change specifically to winter tires for enhanced safety.

3PMSF is often referred to simply as the Mountain/Snowflake marking. These tires will provide much better safety on unexpected ice or wet snow, which are both extremely slippery. The marking was first invented by the Rubber Manufacturers Association, or RMA. The tires undergo much stricter transaction tests in extreme winter conditions. In fact, most tires with the M+S marking fail the test that 3PMSF tires have to pass. This is due to the tread inside All Season and Summer tires will stiffen up when facing temperatures under 40F.

The main difference between the two symbols is that M+S will work perfectly in the summer, but as winter arrives it will only work at full performance traction levels on normal snow or mud. 3PMSF tires, by comparison, will operate at much higher traction on winter roads with ice, slush, and sub-40F temperatures."

The above is from here: https://www.otrusa.com/ms-vs-3pmsf-marking-on-tires-whats-the-difference/

Interesting...

 

"Tyre reviews" answer:  

 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2025 9:54 PM
Subject: Re:

There is no traction test for m+s


"How to understand the difference between winter markings:
  • M+S marking is awarded based on a declaration made independently by the manufacturer according to its own non-regulatory criteria.
  • 3PMSF marking is a certification awarded to tyres that pass a winter traction test in accordance with European regulation UNECE R117.

The test results are factual and comparable. 3PMSF is the only true criteria for measuring winter mobility."



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My answer:
 
No objection on that!
 
Any way, again, thank you very much!
 
 
Free to think...
 
 

 The Syncro Heresy